Chi. Chikyuu no Undou ni Tsuite Episode 23 Discussion

Am I the only one thats confused about the putting the hand into the glove part? They depicted it like that confirmed that the leader was Jolenta. That is a hand, not a fingerprint. It could have been literally almost anybody elses hand. Also, the hand seemed to perfectly fit the hand, but they kept emphasizing how the gloves did not fit Jolentas hands as a teen. Of course people grow. But with this in mind and him being like "hm, yes, it fits perfectly, it must have been my daughter who I was sure was dead" is pretty odd. I might have missed a detail or two but this is how I feel about that scene in particular. But Im also pretty biased, as I heavily disliked the way they robbed us of their reunion and a bit of dialogue between these two.
Aside from that, it was a magnificent episode, as per usual. Truly a fantastic show so far. In fact, its so good that Im not even worried they could butcher the finale in any way which is a big compliment in my book.

Am I the only one thats confused about the putting the hand into the glove part? They depicted it like that confirmed that the leader was Jolenta. That is a hand, not a fingerprint. It could have been literally almost anybody elses hand. Also, the hand seemed to perfectly fit the hand, but they kept emphasizing how the gloves did not fit Jolentas hands as a teen. Of course people grow. But with this in mind and him being like "hm, yes, it fits perfectly, it must have been my daughter who I was sure was dead" is pretty odd. I might have missed a detail or two but this is how I feel about that scene in particular. But Im also pretty biased, as I heavily disliked the way they robbed us of their reunion and a bit of dialogue between these two.
Aside from that, it was a magnificent episode, as per usual. Truly a fantastic show so far. In fact, its so good that Im not even worried they could butcher the finale in any way which is a big compliment in my book.

@xTetsuyax My thinking is that he already had a strong inkling that the leader was Jolenta. The dialog says "Finish what you started" directly after him asking about Jolenta. He also picked up the hand and kept it, which would be strange if he thought there was no connection. The scene where Jolenta sacrifices herself also implies that, for a brief moment, he saw her. I suspect he knew it was Jolenta, but didn't want to accept it. So in that sense him putting the hand in the glove is more of a symbolic gesture, to clear a dying man of his doubts.

@dhfnzdn13 Well, it seems that the glove manufacturer knew in advance what size Yolenta's hands would be at 39. Yes, and in general, these were gloves that were 35 years old, which the old drunk man had been carrying in his pocket for the last 25 years. Only the author knows how they haven't fallen apart during that time.

@OrigamistToo Depending on the material of the gloves, they will last a pretty long time when being worn consistently. Now if "the old drunk man" (her father) were to, y'know, try and preserve the only remaining thing that was important to his daughter, and now by extension him, it wouldn't be that difficult to believe the gloves could last that long.

As for the gloves happening to fit, in a way you are correct. The only reason they were too big in the first place was because they probably assumed it was for an adult woman and not a child (e.g. Nowak could have said they were gloves for his daughter.) Again, it's not hard to believe that they'd make gloves of a certain size for certain genders/age groups (child/teen/adult, male/female) and as such, the gloves fit well enough for him to make the leap in logic.

Is it a guarantee that, just because those gloves fit that hand, the hand belonged to Jolenta? No. However, it was clear he wasn't fully in his right mind (quite literally in the process of dying and hallucinating.) We know that it is common for our brains to make things up to make us feel better when we're in desperate situations that we can't get out of, that's just psychology. As such, it's safe to say he thought it was Jolenta's hand because he wanted to believe it. That hand could have belonged to any other woman and I guarantee you that he would have likely still thought it was Jolenta's. That just wouldn't have made for as satisfying of an ending for his story arc, at least in my opinion.

TL;DR:

Well, after the timeskip, we were shown Novak's life. He is literally an alcoholic who has been mindlessly drinking for 25 years and stabbing a knife into the table like an inadequate person. Of course, one can come up with the idea that he is a reliable person who takes care of his things, but the series doesn't show this at all. I would understand if he had built some glass display case at home where neither sunlight nor dust could get in, where he had placed the gloves 25 years ago, and we were shown him retrieving them before going on a job. Instead, we saw that he just carried them in his pocket all this time. And I’ll tell you that there are no materials in the 15th century that would allow gloves to last 35 years in such conditions. You can, I don’t know, ask a neural network what it would say about this.

Well, the rest can again be explained by the fact that the drunk grandpa came up with something with his soaked brain and started crying. 25 years of alcoholism haven't gone by without a trace 💀. By the way, it's also unclear why he didn't just follow Draka out, who was only a couple of meters away, through that small fire. Has the author's signature desire to make a Sudoku come back again? Just like with all the other characters, who have already done their part in the plot and should be quickly written out.

Wait, so did Nowak actually realize that it was Jolenta who was the leader and blew herself up?

Novak acted logically, why would he betray the work of his life over the words of some guy, especially since that guy "executed" his daughter? The dialogues are once again pseudo-philosophical nonsense, added with endless pathos. These dialogues literally have no impact. The gypsy once again goes through a whole text about capitalism, and as always, everyone around just doesn't care.

Of course, in the whole city, there isn't a single person who knows what to do with a fire. The bishop was clearly hated by all the townspeople, as no one even tried to come to his aid, not even his assistant from the previous episode attempted to do anything. His assistant literally just brought him a carrier pigeon, he couldn't have gone far. The guards were told that there are heretics in the church, and they decided to all go to sleep together. Novak randomly carries a severed hand in his pocket, okay. Why does he carry it with him? Is this another JoJo reference? If it's for material evidence, they arrived in a raid on the heretics with three carts, he could have discarded it in the cart at any time.

In this universe, girls' arms stop growing at 14 years old, okay. The little glove couldn't help but fit, otherwise, the sad scene wouldn't have worked out. 😔

Oh, great, let's sit and listen about buns now.

@OrigamistToo With that level of nitpicking is a big surprise you're actually into anime/manga, since all of the 'plot devices, contrivances and

inconsistencies' you've mentioned can be found in everything in this industry.

And just for the note, in OUR universe, girls arms, hands and the entire body can stop growing at 14 years old indeed. At least in this topic, it's nothing

about the writing. Just your plain ignorance. lol

Logged in after a while just to post this. Following the logic of previous main leads of the story, the Pigeon should be next:



Therefore, prediction for the next opening is this:

and



Someone please turn this into a meme or something. I have done my part.

This is like Trump blocking all studies and results from bird flu in order to point out that there are no further issues about it. No new studies no way to get real data on how bad the current situation goes or will it be. In the same sense your dumb motto is to just ignore piss poor writing in common anime because it's duh, common. If there are no people pointing out writting flaws to catter the "special kids" that don't want to hear their precious anime is fillled with plot holes and bad writting then the benchmark for writing will just go lower and lower until there's nothing to be considered a benchmark (we're already plagued with derogatory isekai produced in an assembly line).



And it would be the writer's job to establish with visuals or at least dialogue why this particular character had a hindered growth, rather than have the audience and fanboys guessing what happened. But then again, this is something fanboys who have no idea of what good writing stands for, and why they should keep their mouths shut rather than project their ignorance into others.